The Dave Gerhardt Show · 8 Oct 2026 · From the week of 5 October
How To Take Big Brand Swings (like NASCAR, Indy 500 and SXSW) with R. Ethan Braden, CMO of Texas A&M University
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In brief
Dave Gerhardt interviews R. Ethan Braden, Chief Marketing and Communications Officer at Texas A&M University, formerly CMO at Purdue and a marketer at Eli Lilly. Braden reports to the president and runs a 70-person team across brand, digital, earned media, crisis/issues and creative. A&M has no demand problem (85,000 applicants for 15,000 seats), but 25-40% of Americans had never heard of it or had no opinion of it. Braden's brief was therefore national reputation rather than enrollment. He describes building a single brand platform the whole campus repeats, a 'blue ocean' media strategy of going where other universities aren't (NASCAR, IndyCar, a Fast Company partnership at SXSW, co-marketing with alumni-founded brands), and an earned-media engine that turns faculty into go-to press sources. His central argument is that marketing must be held to the same rigor as finance or engineering, should repeat one distinctive message relentlessly, and should place the brand where something extraordinary can happen.
For founders
- Braden argues a brand platform (positioning, messaging, character, creative identity) is an operating system for the whole organisation, so it can tell the world one thing a thousand times instead of a thousand things once.
- A new CMO rebuilding the brand is justified only if no working platform exists; Braden says he would not throw out one that works.
- The leader's charge to marketing can be a short mantra rather than a number; A&M's president gave Braden four words: 'national reputation and national conversation'.
- Braden says big brand moments come from years of presence: A&M's IndyCar helmet sponsorship paid off with the closest Indianapolis 500 in history only after three years of doing it.
- Braden attributes his career range to being 'a great marketer' rather than a category expert, a distinction a Lilly leader drew when deciding whether he could be moved across the business.
For revenue leaders
- Braden's 'blue ocean / strategic presence' approach: skip contested channels like billboards and airport ads, and go into engaged fan communities (NASCAR, IndyCar, SXSW) where you are the only one in your category and have an authentic reason to be there.
- A dedicated earned-media team that catalogues internal experts and their media value nearly quadrupled A&M's earned media hits in three years; one economist went from 35 hits two years ago to 3,500 last year.
- Braden replaced a self-hosted SXSW house that mostly drew existing alumni with a partnership inside Fast Company's venue, putting research in front of new audiences; Fast Company then added a whole A&M-focused day.
- Braden prioritises stories by passing them through the overall strategy first, then a small set of yearly content pillars, nailing two or three priorities a year rather than chasing everything.
- Dave Gerhardt bought just 15 minutes on the Nasdaq billboard at Drift for about $17K, took photos and video, and got strong LinkedIn engagement; he argues nobody on social media cared that it wasn't up for the whole day.
What was said 26, most useful first
Braden rejects the blanket rule that a new CMO shouldn't redo the brand: it depends on whether a working platform already exists.
Asked about the trope that new CMOs shouldn't rebrand, Braden says some higher-ed institutions already had a platform and a compelling reason to believe in them for years, and he would not throw out one that works. A&M didn't have one, so he built one. In any role, he says, you need not just a tagline or logo but an identity and an understanding of what is 'in character' to get everyone singing the same tune.
“If you haven't it's working, I don't need to throw that out. But for us, we didn't”
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The value of a message comes from repeating it for years, not from making it clever, and that teams changing messaging every month or quarter can't make progress.
Gerhardt cites a mentor pointing him to Salesforce, which he says ran a front-page Wall Street Journal ad on its CRM market share for about twenty years. He contrasts this with the many B2B teams he talks to that change their messaging monthly or quarterly. His point is that there is value in picking a lane and staying in it.
“It's not always about having, like, like, the sexiest or craziest or clueless message. It's about the ability to, like, repeat it over and over and over”
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At Drift, Dave Gerhardt bought the Nasdaq billboard for just a 15-minute slot at about $17K instead of a full day, and the social content got the same perceived impact.
In 2018-2019 the Nasdaq billboard was associated mostly with companies going public, which made it a perception play. A full day was out of budget, so Gerhardt asked for the smallest increment, which was 15 minutes. He brought video and photo teams to New York and used the footage on LinkedIn. He argues nobody on social media cared that it wasn't up for the whole day.
“So We bought it for fifteen minutes. I went to New York with a video team with a photo team, we took the pictures”
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Braden replaced A&M's own SXSW house, which mostly drew existing alumni, with a presence inside Fast Company's venue showcasing research instead of football, and Fast Company later added a full A&M-focused day.
A&M had spent 'a pretty penny' on an Ag House at SXSW, but Braden says it mainly attracted Aggies, who already knew the university. For three years A&M has partnered with Fast Company magazine at its grill venue, with exhibits on innovations in space, health, farming and national security, plus panels of researchers and astronauts. Attendees routinely say they had never heard of A&M or didn't know about its work. Fast Company returned asking to add an entire A&M-focused day.
“who comes to an Ag house at South by Southwest? Ag. Right? Well, the Ag know us. That's a bit of the choir.”
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A dedicated earned-media team that catalogues faculty experts and what their work is worth to the media nearly quadrupled A&M's earned media hits in three years.
Braden has a team focused on knowing the university's roughly 4,300 faculty, what they work on, and the media value of that work. When outlets like the New York Times call about public health or egg and beef prices, the team routes them to a specific expert. An agricultural economist, David Anderson, went from 35 earned media hits two years earlier to 3,500 last year. Braden says Anderson 'didn't become an expert overnight'; the team gave him the megaphone.
“I'm gonna give you David Anderson out of the ag school who literally two years ago had thirty five earned media hits. And last year had thirty five hundred.”
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Braden curates a pool of media-trained experts he knows will perform and puts them on owned platforms (SXSW, the Fast Company Innovation Festival, commercials) so the team learns who handles media well.
Faculty are free to talk to the press on their own. The team also runs media training and maintains a pool of experts it trusts to build credibility with reporters, because consistency and repeat appearances matter. Using these experts at events and in ads shows who knows what and how they perform. When a reporter calls, matching them to the right expert becomes 'a really easy equation'. One physics professor has over 2 million Instagram followers.
“So we're able to understand who knows what how do they do with the media, And when we get a phone call, it's a really easy equation of you need to talk to x y z”
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Braden credits his career range to a Lilly leader's question: is he a category expert or a great marketer? Category experts can't be moved; great marketers can go anywhere.
Early at Eli Lilly, Braden went deep on the pain indication of a drug. A leader, Mike Mason, asked whether he was 'a pain expert' or 'a great marketer'. Braden says focusing on the craft let him move across pharma, nonprofit and online and traditional universities, and that he believes he could do the same at a consumer brand like Yeti. The same leader advised taking jobs with 'enough clay to mold something beautiful', meaning a large gap between what is and what could be.
“are you a pain expert or you a great marketer? Because if you're a pain expert, I can never move you to something else? If you're a great marketer, I can put you anywhere.”
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A&M's marketing challenge is reputation, not demand: it gets 85,000 applicants for 15,000 seats, yet 25-40% of Americans have never heard of it or have no opinion of it.
Braden says the strong student demand built over 150 years and 600,000+ former students does not extend to the other audiences he cares about. Those include the federal government, companies hiring and partnering on research, and journalists such as the Wall Street Journal calling faculty experts. Outside Texas the university is known mainly for football and agriculture, which Braden's team calls 'true, but radically incomplete'. His job is to create the same demand among these audiences that exists among students.
“twenty five to forty percent of America have never heard of or at least have no opinion of Texas A&M University.”
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Braden's goal from the president was a four-word mantra, 'national reputation and national conversation', rather than a numeric target, and it set the direction for all of his marketing.
Braden says the charge from his former president when he joined was those four words. Dave Gerhardt, from his time at Drift and HubSpot, observed that while executives default to goals like adding 100 customers or $10M of pipeline, the best leaders also give a forward mantra that sets marketing's direction. Braden says that once the team understood who the national audiences were and what they needed, it could orient the marketing contribution.
“the charge for my former president. Was a simple four words. It was national reputation and national conversation.”
Braden treats a brand platform as the organisation's operating system, so everyone tells the world one thing a thousand times rather than a thousand things once.
His first move at A&M, as at Purdue before it, was an insight-based, distinct brand platform: positioning, messaging, character, creative identity and distinctive brand assets. The aim was to get not only his 70-person department but the entire campus to believe the platform was authentic and defining. That creates a common language for consistent external storytelling.
“we create a common language that we can tell the world one thousand times instead of telling the world a thousand things one time.”
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A&M's positioning, 'together we stand as a force for good', is built from 'hardworking words' that each map to proof points.
'Together we stand' draws on the Twelfth Man tradition and 38,000 students standing at every football game. 'Force' rests on three words: magnitude, momentum and mission. The proof points are 82,000 students, $1.5B in research last year and 650,000 former students. 'Good' ties to 150 years of permanence and to the land-grant mission of contributing to the greater good.
“at Texas A&M, together we stand as a force for good. And those are hardworking words.”
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Braden's job is not to invent a different brand but to make the real one 'impossible to ignore' and 'easy to understand'.
Braden says that to be the best university 'for the nation', the nation has to know A&M on its own terms. That means understanding what audiences want from A&M's students and research and then appealing to it. The same two criteria, impossible to ignore and easy to understand, later act as the first filter for which stories his team pursues.
“We can't be ignored. We have to be impossible to ignore and we have to be easy to understand and demand.”
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Braden's long-term ambition is for 'Ag' to mean something as specific as 'Marine', following brands like John Deere, Yeti and the Marines whose lines encode what they stand for.
Braden points to 'Nothing runs like a Deere' (predictability and performance), Yeti's line about getting you out in the wild and keeping you there longer, and 'The few, the proud, the Marines'. His aim is that hearing 'Ag' evokes a values-based leader of character at scale. He presents this as an ambition rather than something achieved.
“I have a ambition here that at some point, we will position the idea of ag as powerfully as you have when I say the word marine.”
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Braden's 'blue ocean / strategic presence' approach skips billboards and airport ads and enters engaged fan communities where A&M is the only university and has an authentic right to be there.
Braden first identifies audiences whose perception and trust he wants to grow. He then looks for novel access points where he isn't competing with a hundred other universities. 'Strategic presence' means having every right to be there and adding something to the experience, so people react with 'I didn't know that about Texas A&M'. He says this has earned A&M a lot of attention and greater understanding.
“I don't need to win the billboards of the highways. I don't need to win the security bins at the airport. I wanna go to where there's fandom and communities who are engaged”
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Braden chose NASCAR because its 80 million US fans are 41% women and, in his account, the most brand-attached of any major sport, and A&M uses it to tell engineering, national security and veterans stories rather than racing stories.
The relationship began with sponsoring a driver's helmet and grew into an associate sponsorship with a team plus race sponsorships. A&M sponsored the Coca-Cola 600 on Memorial Day with the name of a former student, a soldier missing in action, on the car's windshield. The goal was to tell A&M's story as the top veteran-serving university 'largely alone'. Braden says NASCAR's fans are getting younger, more diverse and more spread across the country.
“there's eighty million engaged Nascar fans in the United States alone. Forty one percent are women, and they're the most brand attached of any of the major sporting events.”
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In IndyCar, Braden identified the back of a driver's helmet as high-value placement because the in-car camera shows it during broadcasts across 18 weekends a year on Fox.
A&M sponsored a driver and initially put just its logo on the helmet to create intrigue. It then layered in its commercial and had its social team working at the races. Dave Gerhardt noted A&M is the only university in IndyCar, which he said has 40 million fans, up 20% year over year.
“That a valuable piece of real estate when they go to the in car camera is the back of the Driver's helmet.”
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Marketing can't create the lightning but can build the lightning rod: A&M's three years in IndyCar paid off when its sponsored driver won the closest Indianapolis 500 in history.
After three years of accumulated presence, the driver whose helmet and fire suit carried A&M's mark won the closest Indy 500 in its 110-year history. A&M was on board for the dramatic final 86 seconds. Braden says this drew major attention that weekend and across the other 17 races, along with search interest and inbound. Gerhardt drew the lesson that marketers want a viral hit right away and won't put in the years of reps that make one possible.
“Marketing can't create the lightning, but it can create the lightning rod. And our job is to put us into environments where the extraordinary can happen.”
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A&M runs full co-marketing partnerships with brands founded by former students, such as Dude Perfect, using them as case studies of the university's impact.
Braden wants everyone aged 8 to 16 to know that the five Dude Perfect founders are Aggies and that it started at A&M. He does similar work with another former-student-founded company. He stresses these are not just licensing deals or sponsorships but 'full blown partnerships' that A&M can tell stories around and create impressions with. Gerhardt framed them as the B2B equivalent of customer case studies.
“They're not just light sensing deals and not just sponsorships are actually full blown partnerships that we can then story against and create impressions about”
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Braden filters story ideas through the overall strategy first, then through a few yearly content pillars, and aims to nail two or three priorities a year.
A story must first serve the strategy: best university for the nation, impossible to ignore, easy to understand. It then has to fit a current content pillar. For the coming year these include fostering trust (affordability, access, value of the degree) and health, where all twelve colleges work on Alzheimer's and dementia even though A&M isn't known for it. Braden says that with so many colleges you can get 'extremely distracted', so focusing on a few priorities for a year is how public perception actually changes.
“You can get spoiled, but you can get extremely distracted. As to what would you focus on versus bringing in things two or three priorities that we're gonna nail for a year”
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Braden tracks earned media through Cision and sees between 150 and 2,200 media hits overnight from A&M's experts and announcements.
He uses Cision to measure earned media volume, including per-expert counts such as the jump from 35 to 3,500 hits. He reviews the overnight hits each morning as a gauge of how outside perceptions of the university and its people are being shaped.
“I come in every day and see between a hundred and fifty to twenty two hundred media hits overnight from our experts and our university”
A&M announced an 'Ag Passport' that documents students' out-of-classroom education so employers can see it, packaging an intangible benefit into something concrete.
Braden describes the president's announcement of the Ag Passport. It records service projects, study abroad, involvement in 1,300 student organizations and civic activity. The aim is to show employers what that experience looks like at graduation and to set the expectation that students gain it while enrolled.
“announcing what we're calling the Ag Passport, which is basically documenting all of the education a student gets outside of the classroom.”
Braden deliberately uses 'hardworking words' and names, such as calling alumni 'former students', because he wants one word to carry the weight of a thousand.
Braden says A&M's shared language (former students, the Twelfth Man, the ring) binds people across generations. More broadly, he wants marketing words to carry great weight. Gerhardt added that he and Dan have started intentionally naming internal things, like their Friday meeting and goal-setting process, because named things feel more real and get picked up through repetition.
“I want the words to carry weight. I want the one word to say a thousand.”
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B2B marketers limit themselves by looking only for B2B-specific examples, and that the best marketers pattern-match ideas from any industry.
Gerhardt says many marketers ask for a specific B2B landing-page example and can't make connections from elsewhere. He contrasts this with Braden, who learns from Nike, HubSpot and consumer brands rather than only other universities. Gerhardt says the episode made him rethink his own habit of interviewing only B2B marketers.
“You can learn more for people who are not necessarily in your industry”
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Marketing to the same standard of rigor as finance, engineering or medicine: its job is to change audience attitudes, beliefs and behaviors, not to manage colors and taglines.
Braden says he learned this at Eli Lilly. He wants marketing to materially contribute to the organisation's goals, demand, reputation and future, the way finance, law or faculty do. He describes marketing as both art and science (gut, judgment and taste plus a lot of data), and says part of his role is bringing non-marketers up to speed on that.
“Materially contributing to the creation and the reinforcement and sometimes the changing of audience attitudes, beliefs and behaviors is what we're in the business of.”
Braden's top challenge is hiring marketers who perform at the level of Yeti, Sony or Coca-Cola while paying public-university salaries, largely to work in College Station.
Braden says he has to build 'a hell of a marketing team' that can do justice to the institution, though he has quite a few remote workers. He says one advantage is that he can recruit people out of the corporate world to come to A&M.
“Paying them on a public university salary and get them to contribute at the level that they would at Yeti or Sony or Coca Cola or American Eagle.”
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Braden sees falling public trust in higher education, driven by price, perceived value and politics, as both a headwind and an opportunity to position A&M as an exception.
He lists rising prices, affordability, access, relevance and usefulness of degrees, and the political environment as forces making families wary of whether, where, and for how long to attend college. He says he likes where A&M sits on the 'pendulum' of what the public wants and frames its role as being a beacon that the American dream is still accessible. Fostering trust is a content pillar for the coming year.
“I think for us it's a giant opportunity. I love where we're positioned in the spectrum or the pendulum of what the American public wants, but the decline in trust, the decline in perceptions of value.”